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Reasonably priced at about $15 for a box of train and the same for a box of defend at most stores like Wally World and Academy..

The FMJ (“Train”) and hollowpoint (“Defend”) lines are not only the same weight and the same velocity, but they’re also basically the same shape.

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I have not seen any Winchester .45 or 9mm ammo in stores here in better than 3 years. Sometimes one can find Remington Golden Sabre and Hornady Critical Defense & Critical Duty. I have read good reports on the Winchester stuff but if it can't be had it matters not just how good it may be. They need fill the pipeline better IMHO ;)
 
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