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Speaking of Females moving up in the ranks...

WASHINGTON—Two women are set to graduate Friday from the Army’s Ranger School in Fort Benning, Ga., bringing women one step closer to being able to serve in all combat positions.
The elite leadership course that pushes physical and mental limits was opened to women for the first time this year.

Nineteen women began the course in April, with two successfully completing, allowing them to wear the prestigious black and gold Ranger tab on their uniforms. Among male soldiers, 381 started the course and 94 successfully completed it.

Approximately 34% of students “recycle” or repeat at least one phase of the course, which covers physical fitness, swimming, obstacle courses, military mountaineering, parachuting and mock combat patrols, among other challenges.

The Army hasn’t released the names of the two female soldiers, both graduates of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y. Unlike their male peers, they won’t be allowed to try out for the Army’s elite 75th Ranger Regiment, a combat-oriented Special Operations Force that continues to bar women. While the women can’t join the regiment for now, passing Ranger school will add to their eligibility for other infantry posts.

The Army and other services must decide by the end of this year if they will continue to block women from serving in combat roles that have previously been off limits to them, as the Ranger regiment is doing.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta lifted the ban on women serving in ground combat roles in 2013, establishing a review process. Under that order, the military’s top brass must decide to eliminate all gender restrictions or else provide a justification for not doing so.

Waiver requests limiting women’s participation must be submitted to Defense Secretary Ash Carter before Jan. 1, when Mr. Panetta’s policy shift is set to take effect.

Women for years have played increasingly important roles on combat teams in Iraq and Afghanistan, without being officially designated as part of them.

“This course has proven that every soldier, regardless of gender, can achieve his or her full potential,” Secretary of the Army John McHugh said in a statement. “We owe soldiers the opportunity to serve successfully in any position where they are qualified and capable, and we continue to look for ways to select, train, and retain the best soldiers to meet our nation’s needs.”

The changing role of women in the military has accompanied other changes through the ranks in recent years, including the abolition of the controversial “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military and the planned end next year of a ban against transgender service members.

Less than 3% of the soldiers in the U.S. Army earn the Ranger tab, which is seen as a prerequisite for many of the Army’s infantry commands and is an official requirement for the 75th Ranger regiment.
 

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One, First Lt. Kristen Griest, who has been selected for promotion to captain, has served as a military police platoon leader. The other, First Lt. Shaye Haver, was a pilot on an Apache attack helicopter in an aviation brigade.

The two officers, both accomplished athletes in their mid-20s and West Point graduates, will graduate on Friday along with 94 men from Ranger School at Fort Benning, Ga., a significant milestone in the move toward allowing women into direct combat roles. As it officially stands now, neither woman is allowed to serve as an infantry or tank officer, or even try out for the 75th Ranger Regiment, the Army’s premier light-infantry unit that has its own rigorous selection process.

That might be about to change: The Army, and the other services, must decide by Jan. 1 whether to seek exemptions from a 2013 order ending the formal ban on women in combat. Allowing women to attend Ranger School was seen as a way to help the Army reach its decision. By year’s end, the services must identify jobs they want to continue to restrict to men and provide a rationale for doing so, but any exemption would have to be approved by the defense secretary.

On the heels of the Army’s disclosure on Monday that the two women had qualified to graduate from Ranger School, there are indications that most military services will not seek to block women from many combat jobs — even the Navy SEALs, one of the most elite forces in the military.

Many senior military officers appear to be embracing a credo that women who can meet the same standards as men for certain jobs should have an opportunity to serve in the jobs.

The nation’s top sailor, Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert, said on Tuesday that any woman who can pass the SEALs’ six-month basic underwater demolition and training program, should be allowed to serve in the SEALs, according to Defense News. It was the first time Navy officials had suggested they would likely open the program to women.

“We’re on a track to say, ‘Hey, look, anybody who can meet the gender nonspecific standards, then you can become a SEAL,’” Admiral Greenert, the chief of naval operations, told the newspaper. There is “no reason,” he said, why anyone who can meet those standards should not be accepted.
Of the two main infantry services, the Army appears to be moving more quickly, while the Marines have expressed greater reluctance. The Marines recently opened their infantry officer course to women, but none of the 29 female officers who started the program passed.

The Army has allowed The New York Times and other news organizations to observe some segments of Ranger School, partly to show that the women were being trained and graded the same way as men. The Army had asked that the names of the women be withheld until graduation events that begin Thursday to prevent distractions and harassment. While there has been little organized opposition to their Ranger training, there has been significant and at times intense criticism on Facebook and other social media. The Times is reporting the women’s identities after their names were published elsewhere.

Lieutenant Haver, who graduated from high school in Copperas Cove, Tex., in 2008 — near one of the Army’s largest bases, Fort Hood — played on the school’s varsity soccer team as a freshman, ran cross-country and track, and was a leader in the junior R.O.T.C. program.

The newspaper quoted her former junior R.O.T.C. instructor, Chief Warrant Officer Enrique Herrera, as saying that he knew she would become a leader the day she walked into his office as a freshman.

“I knew at that moment that three years down the road she was going to become my battalion commander, and of course, she became my battalion commander,” he said, adding: “She knew in her mind what she wanted to do, and she went out and did it.”

While in her last year at West Point, Lieutenant Haver took part in a combat exercise with a visiting Prince Harry from Britain, even barking out orders to the young royal while on the firing range.

Lieutenant Griest, who is from Orange, Conn., was named the distinguished honor graduate of her brigade’s Ranger assessment program last year, one of five soldiers to complete the course. She was also the champion of a 12-mile foot march by members of the headquarters detachment of her military police battalion.

According to the Defense One website, a West Point instructor said that Lieutenant Griest had talked about joining the infantry since she was a cadet. “It was common knowledge to people that knew her that that is what she wanted to do,” the instructor said, according to the website.
In addition to serving as an early step toward integrating women into combat, allowing female soldiers into Ranger School reflected a reality that women have been serving in dangerous front-line military jobs for years, like top-gunners in Humvees and door-gunners on helicopters in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The two women who will graduate at Fort Benning on Friday were among 19 women who began Ranger training in April. Most dropped out early during the nine-week course, though one is repeating a prior phase of training in hopes of graduating soon.

The two female officers performed the same physical tests as the male students, including an initial requirement to complete 49 push-ups, 59 situps, six chin-ups and a five-mile run in no more than 40 minutes. The course included a swim test, a land navigation test, a 12-mile foot march in three hours, obstacle courses, four days of military mountaineering, 27 days of mock combat patrols and, depending on whether a student was jump-qualified, parachute jumps or helicopter air assaults. The students operated with little sleep during training at Fort Benning, in the mountains of Georgia and in the swampy Florida Panhandle. In total, they hiked roughly the distance from New York City to Boston with heavy packs.

During the course, the two women received good marks on physical tests and on peer assessments, where classmates rank one another on how good a teammate and leader other students would be, and how much they would want to be with them in combat. Like a lot of male students, the women had some difficulty on graded patrols, where students take turns role-playing as platoon leaders, platoon sergeants or squad leaders, and are evaluated on how they plan and execute missions, and how they react to simulated surprise attacks.

About 4,000 officers and enlisted soldiers start Ranger school every year, but only two out of five graduate. About 3 percent of active-duty soldiers in the Army have earned Ranger tabs, but doing so is an unofficial prerequisite for many infantry commands, and it is an explicit requirement for leading combat troops in the Ranger regiment.
 

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So what are your thoughts on this SHOOTER? Are you in favor or against? My own take on this is that I'm not in favor of it. But bear in mind I come from a generation (and mindset) that was once considered gentlemanly, but would now be seen as outdated or chauvinistic.
 

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The 2 females will not be assigned to a Ranger battalion and will go back to their jobs.
The only thing they got was to be able to wear the tab.
 

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So what are your thoughts on this SHOOTER? Are you in favor or against? My own take on this is that I'm not in favor of it. But bear in mind I come from a generation (and mindset) that was once considered gentlemanly, but would now be seen as outdated or chauvinistic.
I got no problem with females in the military...

My wife retired as a SGM USA CID...

( Sergeant Major United States Army Criminal Investigation Division )

...and qualified Expert in Pistol and Rifle.
 

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That's kinda like calling yourself Airborne because you did the five jumps to qualify.
Political if nothing else.
I have a friend who is a Ranger and talked him about this and all he did was laugh.
There are jobs in Spec Ops for females but they are specialized.
 

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I agree...women in combat would be a bad idea.

True, some can handle the requirements for pushups, chin-ups, 12 mile runs, jump from a perfectly good air platform, crawl through a swamp with 100 lbs on their back, be deprived of sleep, even defend themselves with bare hands and/or weapons.

Some may even do this better than their male counterparts...hell, anyone who has been in a delivery room with their wife knows they are strong of body, mind and will...!!

But, in the end, the psychological aspects would not be good for the esprit de corps.
 

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